OPEN THREAD – 25-31 JULY 2014




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Not quite sure where I really need to begin as there are a couple of things that come into play here as I try to write this.  First, everyone is familiar with our Declaration of Independence from England that “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights”.  Note the word “their” and not “our”.  But no where will we find any reference as such in our Constitution.  It has been said and questioned many times among scholars and other experts that some of our “founding fathers” were deists or in other words those who have a belief in the existence of a God on the evidence of reason and nature only, with rejection of supernatural revelation, a belief in a God who created the world but has since remained indifferent to it.  Now I can’t say for a fact they were or not, even though (click on blue underlined titles herein for more info)  research of their religious affiliation has been documented by many and has shown that some definitely were deists and others were not nor were they Christians. But I am going on the premise here in this case that some were not supportive of Christianity, as the evidence I am bringing forth seems to support that.  Don’t even know if they were the majority or of such caliber that they were able to convince or fool others into thinking that all was done in the name of being such.

They were extremely cunning in ensuring that they did not acknowledge religion in a way that favors any particular gospel or denomination.  So how did we come to think of our nation as a Christian nation?  The term we see on our money “In God We Trust” did not come about until 1956 as a replacement for E pluribus unum which appears on our Great Seal of the United States, which simply means “One out of many”.  Even our current leader has stated in the past that whatever we once were we are no longer a Christian nation but rather a nation of Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus and a nation of nonbelievers.  But today he proclaims that we do not consider ourselves as a Christian nation.  Where did it get lost, or better yet, did we even have such a nation in the very beginning or did it evolve to such for a brief period of time in our history only to disappear.  We all know the last reference caused an uproar among all of us who consider America to be such.  We may not be, but we don’t want anyone telling us we are not because primarily America is inhabited by Christians, or at least it was.  Our religious freedom is one thing that we regard as part of our liberties.  We respect those rights in all people in this nation.

Now here is where it gets interesting from the standpoint of what we thought that our founding fathers stood for.  The people of that time, who were primarily Christians and fled England to seek religious freedom, were duped.  How say you – because the founding fathers agenda did not support God’s word, but rather Greco-Roman, one that supported a worldly view.  How can that be; well tell me what sits on the top of the dome of our Capitol.  You won’t find Christian symbols but rather pagan ones.  (Don’t get confused here with the Supreme Court building which was not built and ready for occupancy until 1935.)  Now we all know that during Constantine’s reign he was dealing with paganism and Christianity among the people and they were constantly at war with each other.  So he combined the two to appease both sides.  Even today, we still combine those two religious philosophies even as we celebrate Christmas with our trees and wreaths.  Take a look as there are more you will be in shock over –  Some Pagan items adopted by Christians . 

But now back to the Capitol whose architecture is none other than a 19th century style,  principally derived from the architecture of Classical Greece and Rome.  The freize or rotunda depicts Washington surrounded by 13 maidens in an inner ring with many Greek and Roman gods and goddesses below him in a second ring.  And yes, there are other depictions which do represent our history.  Also did you know that what sits atop the dome is none other than the Goddess Minerva otherwise known to us as the Statue of Freedom.  Yet the Goddess Minerva did not represent such.  She represented wisdom and crafts and to the Romans she represented war.

So, if our founding fathers (which by the way that term did not come into existence until 1916 from then Senator Warren G. Harding) were supposedly Christian men, why weren’t other symbols used?  Why not use the eagle which is basically our national emblem and came about as such in 1782 and that was 81 years before the statue was placed on the Capitol dome in 1863.  Of course the founding fathers were long gone, but the plans for such were in the works long before that (1792) and the foundation for One Out of Many had already been laid.  But then again I can only hope that what our founding fathers initially wanted was somehow changed way back then because during that time Abe Lincoln was President and there had been 15 other Presidents before that time and Franklin Pierce (DEM) was President when the renovation began on the dome.

I surmise (guess) based on these small pieces of evidence that there could be the possibility that WE WERE NOT FOUNDED AS A CHRISTIAN NATION but rather a nation meant to be inclusive as part of a ONE WORLD ORDER.  How utterly disappointing if this is even remotely true.  Furthermore, it leads me to suspect that our leaders know something we don’t about our foundation as we are now seeing by their actions or should I say inaction that such a goal is beginning to appear that it may be coming to fruition.  In light of this revelation, I reluctantly give in to the fact that it all seems to be making sense like it never did before because I cannot for the life of me understand why they are doing nothing, but let it all happen.  But I would really like to know exactly when it all started to change and under what regime.

Luke 8:17 (KJV)

For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.


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I’m sure everyone has heard the saying “wait while Rome burns” or “fiddle around while Rome burns”.  The saying came about because some believe Nero did meaningless things while it was taking place.  Regardless of whether or not he did anything is of no importance in the grand scheme of things as it did burn and it took 6 days for it to be brought under control.

Today, we see the same mentality of doing meaningless things while the world and our nation are in dire straights.  What will it take for someone to really do something – I haven’t the answer so all I can do is:

Wait on the Lord: be of good courage, and he shall strengthen thine heart: wait, I say, on the Lord.

Psalm 27:14

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I don’t know how many know the story of the Tower of Babel but this should enlighten you:

Genesis 11:1-9 (KJV)

11 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.

And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.

And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.

And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.

And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.

And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.

So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.

Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad.

God knew that to have such unity by a single human government would result in a structured and often highly formalized system and nothing would be impossible for them and their quest to institutionalize the greatest of evils.  It has been said that Nimrod was the ruler of the lands in those days and he was considered to have such contempt for God.  “Jewish Antiquities”I, 114, 115 (iv, 2, 3), says that Nimrod felt “…that the only way to detach men from the fear of God was by making them continuously dependent upon his own power. He threatened to have his revenge on God if He wished to inundate the earth again; for he would build a tower higher than the water could reach and avenge the destruction of their forefathers. The people were eager to follow this advice… deeming it slavery to submit to God; so they set out to build the tower…and it rose with a speed beyond all expectation.” (Kind of sounds like what we have today in that people are “eager” to follow.)

The Bible tells us that our sin prevents us from a heaven on earth scenario and that no centralized government can allude to such a setting.  That is why today we supposedly have or should I say had a system that provided checks and balances which would preclude the excesses of humans who are pre-disposed to a sinful nature.

That is why, we MUST NOT compromise our position on even entertaining such a government; to do so will lead to a totalitarian or a centralized government that does not tolerate parties of differing opinion and that exercises dictatorial control over many aspects of life which in other words leads to a one religious doctrine that will not adhere to the word of YAHWEH (God) with an imperious political authority.

YAHWEH (God) knew this from the very beginning –




H/T to Katie for the following:

The country of Lithuania has NOT thus far compromised its faith or national identity even though during the Soviet occupation of Lituania from 1944 to 1991, the Hill of Crosses became a symbol of defiance against the Communist regime.  Three times the Soviets bulldozed the hill, but after each time both locals and pilgrims once again would erect crosses on the hill.  

More stunningly beautiful pictures here:

This is how the Lithuanians show and tell the world about their commitment to YAHWEH (God) and their unity as a nation.

The thing is, if America is ever forced to succumb to such rule and succeeds in overthrowing it -



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In the days of our grandparents,  parents and even some of us, the TV and internet world of today was not a part of their lives.  What they depended on was limited newspapers and word of mouth, radios, even the newsreels at the movies for those lucky enough to attend.  They were not even aware of what was taking place in the cities around them, much less in other states or around the world.  While many of them lived on limited means, they were not even aware that they were really that bad off, unlike today.  They worked hard and had very little time to “play”.  Their down time was spent being part of a family unit.  One that prayed at meals and worshiped on Sundays.  Today, one is lucky to be able to mutter a word of thanks to the Lord at meals, many times just in their minds and because there are too many outside influences many don’t even bother worshiping on Sundays.  Yes, idols have replaced the time spent in the churches on Sunday mornings.  Over the years we can see how our society has evolved to what it is today – a dog eat dog world with only a mindset of how one can benefit “ME ME ME”.

Yes, I long for those days as all I see and read about are killings, hunger, corruption, chaos and destruction.  No wonder one must take some time to “pretend” that things are right in the world.

Bottom line, it has been said – What you don’t know can’t hurt you”.  From the logical standpoint we know there is no truth to that, but I sure would like to reduce the stress in my life by living that way if I knew I could remain safe in my little world.  The thing is in this world today – wearing rose colored glasses is not the answer because sooner or later those glasses will be shattered when reality smacks you in the face.


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“The preservation of the sacred fire of liberty, and the destiny of the Republican model of Government, are justly considered as deeply, perhaps as finally staked, on the experiment entrusted to the hands of the American people.”
George Washington


This year more than any other, Independence Day should spark within each of us a burning fever to stop the destruction taking place in our nation.  It’s time for WE THE PEOPLE to do the job our founding fathers set before us which is to


If we don’t – we have no one to blame but ourselves and the “experiment” will have failed.  We must maintain what Benjamin Franklin stated at the close of the Constitutional Convention of 1787:

“Well, Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?”

“A Republic, if you can keep it.”


flag-004“Where liberty dwells, there is my country. ” ~Benjamin Franklin


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